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Can Nightly Autoselect Consider Series Info from MARC 440 Field?
2 months 2 weeks ago #1856
by dmalosh
Hi,
Can nightly autoselect consider series info from MARC 440 field before assigning requests for Author or Subject likes?
Catherine and I have been discussing those pesky author and subject requests that snag books prematurely from a series. Since there are so many books being added to KLAS, it is increasingly difficult to mark up series and subjects (namely No Nightly Autoselect) to prevent these requests from getting assigned. And seeing as the NLS's bibliographic control section has been pretty consistent in adding series info in to the 440 field, could Nightly be enhanced so it checks a subject or author selection against its 440 field?
For example, let's pick on Janet Daily's Calder country (DB123265). I haven't gotten to this book yet, so the the Series and SerSeq fields are both blank. It has a handful of subjects but only as a result of subject mapping. Even though this title is #4 in a series Nightly could assign author-like requests for Janet Daily. And since it has Romance, Westerns, and Historical Fiction subjects added to it, anyone liking those big subjects could also be getting assigned requests. This book is Active; it has an eDoc. It's ready to party!
Meanwhile, on the MARC tab (in the Catalogue module) I see its 440 field reads:
=440 \0$aCalder Brand.$v04
The place to emphasize is what's at the end: "$v04"
Can Nightly grab a patron or subject request, but then say "Hold on. Is there 440 field? If so, is the number after "$v" equal to "01"? If yes, assign request. If no, cancel this request."?
I know (#0.5) prequels will slip through the cracks. And I know not all series books have numbering. Sometimes it's just the series name. What I don't know is if the 440 fields are employed on NEW MARC records or only Full MARC records. I'm even less certain on Network MARC records. I also do not know what will happen when one book has two 440 fields employed. I see that quite often.
Anyone have thoughts on my hypothesis? Has anyone else wondered about the 440 field? Keystone staff, is this even feasible to scrutinize author/subject requests like this?
Thanks for hearing me out.
-Dan in Minnesota
Can nightly autoselect consider series info from MARC 440 field before assigning requests for Author or Subject likes?
Catherine and I have been discussing those pesky author and subject requests that snag books prematurely from a series. Since there are so many books being added to KLAS, it is increasingly difficult to mark up series and subjects (namely No Nightly Autoselect) to prevent these requests from getting assigned. And seeing as the NLS's bibliographic control section has been pretty consistent in adding series info in to the 440 field, could Nightly be enhanced so it checks a subject or author selection against its 440 field?
For example, let's pick on Janet Daily's Calder country (DB123265). I haven't gotten to this book yet, so the the Series and SerSeq fields are both blank. It has a handful of subjects but only as a result of subject mapping. Even though this title is #4 in a series Nightly could assign author-like requests for Janet Daily. And since it has Romance, Westerns, and Historical Fiction subjects added to it, anyone liking those big subjects could also be getting assigned requests. This book is Active; it has an eDoc. It's ready to party!
Meanwhile, on the MARC tab (in the Catalogue module) I see its 440 field reads:
=440 \0$aCalder Brand.$v04
The place to emphasize is what's at the end: "$v04"
Can Nightly grab a patron or subject request, but then say "Hold on. Is there 440 field? If so, is the number after "$v" equal to "01"? If yes, assign request. If no, cancel this request."?
I know (#0.5) prequels will slip through the cracks. And I know not all series books have numbering. Sometimes it's just the series name. What I don't know is if the 440 fields are employed on NEW MARC records or only Full MARC records. I'm even less certain on Network MARC records. I also do not know what will happen when one book has two 440 fields employed. I see that quite often.
Anyone have thoughts on my hypothesis? Has anyone else wondered about the 440 field? Keystone staff, is this even feasible to scrutinize author/subject requests like this?
Thanks for hearing me out.

-Dan in Minnesota
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2 months 1 week ago - 2 months 1 week ago #1859
by maureen
Replied by maureen on topic Can Nightly Autoselect Consider Series Info from MARC 440 Field?
Hi Dan, your posts always rock! I was thinking that in the meantime, you could do a merge query and then, apply two subject headings to prevent books going out before you were able to apply cataloging. Katharina and Mitake helped me with some queries to apply the sequel heading when new records came in.
You first do one for ALL the series, query A and then, do a query for those that have the heading, query B. Then Merge Queries: In A not B. While you have it open, you can add the SEQ heading, and the NAS subject heading so they don't get picked up in autoselect.
Catalog Query A:
Advanced Search:
Query B:
Advanced Search:
Maureen
You first do one for ALL the series, query A and then, do a query for those that have the heading, query B. Then Merge Queries: In A not B. While you have it open, you can add the SEQ heading, and the NAS subject heading so they don't get picked up in autoselect.
Catalog Query A:
Advanced Search:
- Bib Rec> Series Sequence> Is Between > 1.1 and 9999999999999999
- BibRec >KLAS ID> In> db*,br*
Query B:
Advanced Search:
- Heading> Type> Begins> sub
- Heading> Code>Begins>seq
- BibRec> KLASID > In >db*,br*
Maureen
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2 months 5 days ago #1861
by nancy
Replied by nancy on topic Can Nightly Autoselect Consider Series Info from MARC 440 Field?
Hi Dan!
Your thoughtful question is really pointing to the need to join us in the automated series process. We have things set up so that when the MARC records are loaded, the 440 generates a series heading (and a sequence if that is available). So, there is never a time when the book should *have* a series heading and doesn't. It doesn't matter if the series info comes in the New, Full or Network records - it's all there as soon as the record is loaded.
We do have to match what NLS is calling the series, and Katharina spends a lot of time each month tidying up those series, and correcting series sequences. But with the volume of titles that NLS is providing each month increasing, you're going to be behind all the time. Let us know if you'd like to talk more about this.
Your thoughtful question is really pointing to the need to join us in the automated series process. We have things set up so that when the MARC records are loaded, the 440 generates a series heading (and a sequence if that is available). So, there is never a time when the book should *have* a series heading and doesn't. It doesn't matter if the series info comes in the New, Full or Network records - it's all there as soon as the record is loaded.
We do have to match what NLS is calling the series, and Katharina spends a lot of time each month tidying up those series, and correcting series sequences. But with the volume of titles that NLS is providing each month increasing, you're going to be behind all the time. Let us know if you'd like to talk more about this.
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2 months 5 days ago #1862
by epawlus
Replied by epawlus on topic Can Nightly Autoselect Consider Series Info from MARC 440 Field?
Well worth the cost, if you can swing it! (Do I get some kind of discount for referrals, or not since it happened in reverse? LOL.)
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1 month 1 week ago - 1 month 1 week ago #1878
by dmalosh
Replied by dmalosh on topic Can Nightly Autoselect Consider Series Info from MARC 440 Field?
(Sorry for my delay in returning to this thread.)
I'm wary of adopting NLS's series info as I find it very inaccurate. For example, when a series gets a new name they sometimes don't go back and rename books earlier in the series, or one book in a series will start with "The" but the ensuing books will not include "The" creating what I call a series island. They're also known for incorrectly numbering books within a series. When errant series cataloging is encountered, does Katharina deviate and name or number things differently?
Also, do you create different series for books written in different languages? If for example, a patron subscribes to the Harry Potter series could he/she theoretically get Book #1 in English, #2 in Spanish and #3 in another language? I don't think the NLS creates separate series based on language.
I'm wary of adopting NLS's series info as I find it very inaccurate. For example, when a series gets a new name they sometimes don't go back and rename books earlier in the series, or one book in a series will start with "The" but the ensuing books will not include "The" creating what I call a series island. They're also known for incorrectly numbering books within a series. When errant series cataloging is encountered, does Katharina deviate and name or number things differently?
Also, do you create different series for books written in different languages? If for example, a patron subscribes to the Harry Potter series could he/she theoretically get Book #1 in English, #2 in Spanish and #3 in another language? I don't think the NLS creates separate series based on language.
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1 month 1 week ago #1879
by nancy
Replied by nancy on topic Can Nightly Autoselect Consider Series Info from MARC 440 Field?
I understand your wariness, as there have generally been inconsistencies with the information we get. But yes, Katharina does go through and finds the books that should have been part of the series but weren't for some reason, and she makes sure that the series names are consistent across the entire series.
As for series in different languages, yes, that is the ideal. We've got Harry Potter in several languages. Sometimes NLS does indicate the language by giving the series a name in that language, but when they don't, we come up with one to keep the nightmare scenario you've described from happening.
As for series in different languages, yes, that is the ideal. We've got Harry Potter in several languages. Sometimes NLS does indicate the language by giving the series a name in that language, but when they don't, we come up with one to keep the nightmare scenario you've described from happening.
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1 month 1 week ago #1880
by Katharina
Replied by Katharina on topic Can Nightly Autoselect Consider Series Info from MARC 440 Field?
Just to give one example of a series that has had more than one name. "Calleshire chronicles", "Sloan and Crosby Mystery" and "C.D. Sloan mystery." are all names I've seen come in for the same series. (And Goodreads uses another variant.) We've set it up so that all three are searchable in the MARC, but patrons/staff see one name in the series field (Aird, C. - C.D. Sloan mystery.) and the one that NLS is currently using (Calleshire chronicles.) maps to it.
We also recently made an update to our headings to better prevent two series with the same name from mixing. For example, Avery Aames and Korina Moss both have a series called Cheese Shop Mystery.
We also recently made an update to our headings to better prevent two series with the same name from mixing. For example, Avery Aames and Korina Moss both have a series called Cheese Shop Mystery.
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1 month 1 week ago - 1 month 1 week ago #1881
by dmalosh
Replied by dmalosh on topic Can Nightly Autoselect Consider Series Info from MARC 440 Field?
Thanks Katharina and Nancy. I appreciate your replies and the examples provided.
In case anyone else is visiting this thread and wondering about the costs for Keystone's cataloging services, Nancy reminded me of this article that Katy wrote back in June 2023: Let's Talk about Cataloging . For pricing, scroll all the way to the end of the article.
In case anyone else is visiting this thread and wondering about the costs for Keystone's cataloging services, Nancy reminded me of this article that Katy wrote back in June 2023: Let's Talk about Cataloging . For pricing, scroll all the way to the end of the article.
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